Rita Barberà fa catalanisme, per això parla català sense parar, a casa, al carrer i a la faena...i mai parla castellà.

Deixem que Rita siga espanyola que viu a València. No crec que canviem d'opinió ni un ni l'altre.
De tota manera, et diré que si els del PP van fent-se espanyols, al final els "valencians" com tu vos quedareu en minoria en el P.V. , ja que segons tu, el PSOE valencià també estarà ple de catalanistes.

Corregixc al amic terrablava. El pp es espanyolista, a Valéncia, a sevilla i a Burgos. Lo unic que ha fet per afavorir al catalanisme ha segut crear l'AVL-c.

Espanya (i en concret el PP) mos vol castellanisar, i heu esta aconseguint; i catalunya mos vol catalanisar. Rebem cops de les dos bandes, som una NACIÓ OPRIMIDA.

PPeros a fer la mà! ERC-pveros fora!

¡¡ VIXCA LA NACIÓ VALENCIANA !!

Última edició per Sogorb89 (23-01-2007 14:05:35)

No arribaran ni al 0,5% dels vots, per lo menos a la meua ciutat

La plataforma NOU BLAVERISME (més feixista i espanyolista que l'anterior) sou tots uns regionalistes. (... a q no sap el que és...)

actualització:

phpBB ha decidit de suprimir la "llengua valenciana".

Motius que exposa l'administrador després de veure els arguments exposats i que ha pogut comprovar en la wikipedia [no surt explícitament a la conversa]:

-- Idioma fals. El valencià és català però amb petites variacions geogràfiques.
-- Conspiració de webs feixistes (han vist la referència feta a valenciafreedom)
-- Criteris lingüístics incorrectes. No segueix la normativa oficial de la oficial AVL sinó la de la absurda i cutre RACV.
-- Mala qualitat de la traducció, problemes d'incompatibilitat

Heus aquí la conversa mantinguda al xat de suport.

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<DANX>    Hello.
    <DANX>    I want notify to phpbb administrators that the "valencian" language located ad phpBB is absolutely a fake language, the people who diff valencian is a language different of catalan are nazi or fascists, there aren't any difference, like spanish from spain to argentina spanish or the british and the american english
    <DANX>    furthermore, the grammar and the ortographical rules of the valencian language downloadable from phpbb are absolutely incorrect and unscientific
    <karlsemple>    ...... then contact the language author
    <DANX>    the language author won't correct it
    <DANX>    because he is the webmaster of a fascist website that is maked for make actions like this
    <DANX>    (valenciafreedom.com is a website maked by the author of the valencian language downloadable from phpbb, a website which is fully anticatalan and racist)
    <naderman>    Hi DANX
    <DANX>    hi naderman
    <naderman>    Thanks for notifying us of this, I'll look into it
    <DANX>    okay, thanks to you...
    <DANX>    I expect you fix that horrible campaign of ""valencian language"" of fascist websites
    <robydrupo>    ugly thing...
    <DANX>    the only diff between catalan and the catalan of valencian territory is only bit geographical changes
    -->|    Rehan_ (n=Rehan@host202-147-179-57.isb.dancom.net.pk) has joined #phpbb
    <DANX>    furthermore, no one university recognises valenician different language of catalan.
    <DANX>    you might see it at wikipedia
    <karlsemple>    <DANX> they are looking into it as you speak
    <DANX>   
    <robydrupo>    why does this man does that?
    <DANX>    I do not know... They are anticatalan...
    <DANX>    anti-catalan
    <naderman>    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valencian# … _Valencian is quite interesting
    <DANX>    yes...
    <DANX>    the same page says "here is consensus amongst linguists that Valencian is the name for the dialect of the Catalan language which is spoken in the Valencian autonomous community"
    <naderman>    which would mean that a seperate language pack can exist?
    <DANX>    but if the valencian version of phpbb were correct, i do not say anything.... but the valencian version of phpbb is fully anormal and it no follow the official criteria of grammar and ortohraphy official from the Acadèmia Valenciana de la Llengua
    <DANX>    i do not know the quality of my english... sorry XD
    <naderman>    We have just deactivated the Valencian package
    <[CSI]OCtane>    hey guys, i recently visited my phpbb for the first time in a year and found 1000 posts of spam. is tehre an efficient way to get rid of it all instead of erasing it one by one?
    <DANX>    oh great, naderman
    <naderman>    though for the bad quality, and not for the political background, it's not our business ;-)
    <DANX>    thanks for help the science...
    <DANX>    yeah...
    <DANX>    phpbb does not deserve the garbage of that people... only true languages
    <karlsemple>    there is no need for that
    <DANX>    I do not understand, karlsemple
    <karlsemple>    like we said we are not taking sides and such comments will not be tolerated
    <karlsemple>    the pack was removed for other reasons, that being its poor quality which you brought the the devs attention
    <DANX>    bad quality in all senses...

Última edició per daniol (29-03-2007 16:05:36)

Així hem d'actuar. Felicitacions daniol, ENDAVANT!!!!!!

de res, és una bona notícia per al valencià.

<<phpBB és un conjunt gratuït i lliure de paquets de codi basats en el popular llenguatge PHP, la funció dels quals és proporcionar amb una ampla possibilitat de personalizació un servei de fòrums.>>

En resum, phpBB és una estructura per a posar un fòrum fàcilment a la teua pàgina web.


Per cert, el blavero Sogorb (aquell qui inicià aquest article) en sa idioticitat deia que phpBB era una "empresa americana", el qual és absolutament fals ja que és un projecte de col·laboració entre milers de programadors amb codi lliure.
Fàcilment comprovable en http://www.phpbb.com/about/.

Última edició per daniol (19-03-2007 17:36:10)

-àlex-, el que phpBB ha esborrat era una versió en blabensiá.

Última edició per daniol (19-03-2007 17:37:20)

no obstant, la versió en idioma blavero no la utilitzava ningú , perquè fins i tot balénsiafridom té el "foro" en ejpañol, per no confondre a ningú...

Última edició per daniol (19-03-2007 17:51:03)

Exel·lent Daniol! No pensava que fóra tan fàcil.

Quan va eixir el tema de la versió del phpBB vaig decidir registrar-me i parlar primer amb l'autor de la versió.

La meua intenció era saber primer quina era la seua posició i després plantejar-ho al fòrum general. Val a dir que per falta de temps vaig oblidar el tema i els dies anaren passant.

Segurament és poc ètic mostrar les converses privades que tinguí amb el personatge en qüestió però crec que poden ser del vostre interès.

Jo:

I send you this private message to notice you about grammatical and orthographic errors on Valencian translation. Some users consider that this translation don't follow the official rules of your language.

For this I'd like to know if it's possible to correct this errors.

Thank you very much.

Ell:

Hi Indefinite, I made my translation, check it and correct it when people tells me. I'm sure that people tell you the grammatical and ortographic errors are catalan users. Valencian is very similar to Catalan, but not the same. It's like the galician and portuguese, or serbian and croatian.. Same base language, very similar, but diferent grammar. The same like occitan and catalan. This that is you tell me unfortunately isn't new. I'm working on valencian translations for more programs and software and other times same people, (very few) tell me the same. And some catalan people when they see it, they do what they can to get it, and they always put its version.
I think if are spanish (argentina version) and spanish too(castillian version) why not can stay valencian? I'm sure that it's better valencians have valencian version and if they want other, can get it. But, if valencian version isn't be, they can't never get. Right?
I work on a community that we're translating to valencian, and very times we translated from catalan to valencian. others from spanish, others from english, and never has any problem.
Valencian language are official in our region. And it's official in the webpages of our nationals ministrys.

I give you some examples:

http://www.mma.es/cambiaCultura.do?cultura=va (valencian version)
http://www.mma.es/cambiaCultura.do?cultura=ca (catalan version)

Another one:
http://www.fomento.es/MFOM/LANG_VA/default.htm (valencian version)
http://www.fomento.es/MFOM/LANG_CA/default.htm (catalan version)

This only are a little example.
Sorry if this "valencian case" mades you some problem. :oops: . Please reply me for this, ok?
Greetings Indefinite.

Jo:

There's no any problem doing a Valencian translation. Of course you can do it!

In spite of, you should follow official rules of Valencian language. If you do not, Valencian translation should be removed. Those links you showed me are from official websites of Spain, written in official Valencian rules. Valencian translation should respect those rules too.

Ell:

This already I have done it other times and it is always arrived at the same, that people come to say to me that version in Catalan is already him and that does not make lack a version in Valencian and they remove it. The webpages I send you are in valencian with catalan rules. The norm in that we translate is the Valencian rules. All of this are a few little group that they want a valencian version. Is no way to maintain this version? I'm sure that people that tells you the "grammar errors" won't take the valncian version if I'll do with the catalan rules. It has already ocurred other times unfortunately. Our grammar is official, a lot of people use it in Valencian Community. And we have a Royal Academy of this rules. The RACV. www.racv.es. Here in Valencia are two way to write valencian: with the catalan rules, that are similar to catalan, and some people and webs use it because are very similar to catalan and for catalans are easier, or with the valencian rules, supported of our government and RACV and used it for more people here, valencians users, writers, etc. We have a lot of books publications with this rules and the City Hall use it and it's normal. Sorry for all this text but I think it's necessary.

Thaks for all your tips

Jo:

I've never said that it's not possible a Valencian translation, but I think that a Valencian translation should respect official rules of this language.

   

valenciano escrigué:

Our grammar is official, a lot of people use it in Valencian Community

Which grammar? You're supposed to use the official one.

   

valenciano escrigué:

We have a lot of books publications with this rules and the City Hall use it and it's normal

Same question: wich rules? Do you think RACV rules are official? I don't think so. In spite of, you don't use RACV rules because in your translation there aren't any diacritics. Which rules are you using?

I'd like to know why isn't possible to use official rules?

Thank you.

Ell:

I'm using the rules of Puig. Use it by the RACV. It's true about the diacritics, if only its for this I'll correct and put it on the language. I haven't write with this why I'm already write without diacritics.
This rules are use it by official institutions, like the Diputation of Valencia. Are use it in books, and it's used it since 1975. I do this because this is valencian language, not catalan with valencian vocabulary, that this one it's similar. thanks for reply Indefinite

Daniol et torne a felicitar. Quin crack!!!!